What do you think about McCain's VP choice?

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Permalink Reply by Dan on October 3, 2008 at 12:44pm

I'm not so sure if a woman running mate will help or hurt McCain. Most of the voters that actually show up are older individuals so they still might have that bias against women. Of couirse they might have a bias against african americans too. Whatever the result, history will be made. I personally would rather vote for Mickey Mouse then have to choose between the two.options. Let's see, higher taxes and pro-abortion, not a good choice. How about a long drawn out war and a failing economy, not a good choice either. I think Mickey Mouse stands a good chance ot winning. I think I'll wear my mouseketeer hat to the booths this year.

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Permalink Reply by Lone Wolf on October 3, 2008 at 3:00pm

Well, something you got to take into account with the war, is that it's a neccesary war. David fought Goliath, why shouldn't we have fought against Sadahm Hussein. It was the right reaction in my opinion. And although we did not technically find weapons of mass destruction over there, we did find that they had the capability to do so. And now that were in there, we're fighting the terrorists. I mean, which would you rather do? Fight the terrorists over in Iraq, or allow them to get into America, and have an even worse effect. And about the failing economy. The American people should not go and take out lones, when they can't afford to pay them off. These unpaid lones lead to bankruptcy, which leads to a falling economy. Now, some people are saying that this is the falt of the banks, and I guess it partially is. But no more than if someone asked if they could punch you in the face, you say yes, and half a second later you end up with a black eye. I guess you could say that America is giving itself a black eye. And, about voting for Mickey Mouse. Would you prefer your rainbow mouskeketeer hat, or the plain black one. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

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Permalink Reply by Dan on October 4, 2008 at 11:04am

I like the plain black hat the best, although I'll wear both depending on my mood. Every country has the "capacity" to make WMDs. We can't go to war with the world? They're easy enough to make. They don't even need a big fancy laboratory to make them, contrary to popular belief. Nor do they need a factory. It only takes one to cause mass destruction as the name implies and anybody can make at least one. Sure, it's better to kill them over there than here. In my opinion, they should turn the whole middle east into a sheet of glass instead of wasting good American lives. Then let what's left of them to clean up the mess. Just like we did in Japan in WWII. Well we actually helped them out there too. But look how well they turned out, a very civilized society. We should start with Iran of course. We may really have to start using nuclear weapons, how can we fund another drawn-out conventional war? But we do have a "surplus" of nukes at our disposal. Since GW is trying to pick a fight with Iran and we still aren't out of the Iraq mess, what else can we do except maybe impose a draft and force people to fight for little or no pay. Either that or have the economy collapse. Like I said, neither candidate is good and either one will inherit GW's mess. It doesn't really matter who you vote for now, either way it's not going to be good for the country. Both have views that are anti-Christian and I don't believe one party is better than the other. I vote when there someone worth voting for no matter what party they belong to. I won't participate in my own demise out of a false sense of loyalty to some political party.

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Permalink Reply by Lone Wolf on October 5, 2008 at 7:50am

Well, if you consider a dirty bome a WMD, then yeah, it might be pretty easy. But, as a very good friend of mine said, a nuclear detanation device would not be so easy to develope. And, to reply to your comment, that we should "turn the whole middle east into a sheet of glass", I am not really sure that would be wise. I think that the main reason we don't just bomb them, is the great number of civilians that dwell over seas. I mean, can you imagine all the innocent lives that would be lost if we did something so cocky? And, we never know how a country is going to turn out, unless we give it a chance. Just because we think that a country is not worth saving, does not give us the authority to enforce that thought. As you wrote before, in reply to the forum about Sarah Palin's daughter, they need to be shown love by us all, and not criticized or chastised. And, about a long drawn out war, that is what the surge was meant for. To end the war sooner. We have even recently been decreasing our presence in Iraq, so, I think that your comment about a draft being needed is a little exagerated. And, about the economy collapsing, show me why you think it's going to collapse. I mean, the big banks are failing, great! But, doesn't that give the smaller banks the chance to step up, and fill in the gap? And, about the candidates being anti-Christian, I agree a hundred percent with Barrack Obama. I mean, he went to a church that believed if God was not against the white people, then he was not with them. I mean, how sick is that? But with McCain, yes, he did make that comment in the 2000 election primaries, that Christians are agents of; but during the 2004 election, he retracted that statement, basically apologizing for what he had said. And his VP choice, Sarah Palin, who was actually the start of this discussion, is defanitely not anti-Christian. She even had roots in the pentocostal church, which has deeply influenced her beliefs and standards. So, look, I don't see how you can stand to not vote. I mean, think about it logically for a second. McCain would have to be a much better choice for president than Obama. You say they are both just as bad, but, please quit listening to the liberal media, and do some research on the candidates. Not voting at all, is the same thing as giving up on America. We used to be a nation that stood for God, and if we want it to be that way again, then we should quit whining and giving up, and FIGHT!

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Permalink Reply by Dan on October 5, 2008 at 10:14am

I wasn't really being serious about using nukes. The cost to clean up the mess would be just as much or more than having a conventional war. I was just being a wise alec by quoting what I hear so many other people say. In any war, there will be civilian casualties. Think of WWII when we fire bombed Dresden. We didn't do it to knock out factories or military targets, there were very few there. We did it to send a message to Germany, just like we sent a message to Japan when we dropped the nuclear bombs. All that did was mostly kill civilians, yet we considered ourselves justified in doing it. Why, because part of war is psychological. It's a very cruel but effective way of changing someones mind. Do I think it's acceptable or Christian, no. That's how war is, there is no victimless wars. The longer the war lasts, the more innocents will die. Why did we nuke Japan? Because the death toll would have been even greater if we hadn't in terms of civilian and military casualties. Why did we bomb Dresden? To put fear in the Germans who had been radicals and zealots until they began to worry about their own mortality. You can't win the hearts and minds of people who are bent on destroying you. Not everyone holds the same Christian values as you. In fact, most of the world despises Christians. Back to politics, I know McCain recanted his statements and that's all well and good. I also remember Bill Clinton saying, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." and George Sr. saying, "Read my lips." If McCain's running mate was running for president, I would certainly vote for her. I question McCain's motives, he does want to get elected after all. He wouldn't be the first politician to say anything to get elected and then change his tune afterward. Yes we do have small banks but these same small banks have alot less money. Also, if the big banks aren't getting paid back then why would a small bank risk the loan? They could go under much quicker, it wouldn't make sense. I'm an independent, I think for myself. I don't have the RNC or the DNC sending me literature. I also disapprove of churches having campaign rallies when they should be teaching the word of God. That stuff should be done outside of the church and not be part of the sermon. So the only thing getting wasted is not my vote, it's my time. Give me a good candidate and I'll vote for her or him.

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Permalink Reply by Lone Wolf on October 5, 2008 at 12:21pm

Sorry, but I didn't realize you were just kidding about nuking them. I usually take everything seriously when I try to talk about politics. And I see in how you speak, that you think this war should end as soon as possible. But, if we went with the tactic the liberals want to use, and just bring all our troops back, that wouldn't end the war. That would give our enemy the advantage. What I am trying to say, is that McCain doesn't want a long drawn out war, like you previously stated we would get with McCain. No one does. But, McCain understands that some wars are necessary. The surge has worked, and as a result, our presence in Iraq is reducing. McCain supported the surge. So, I don't think that we can say that we'll get a long drawn out war with McCain. And, what you said about most people despising Christians, I can't argue with that. But, look at all the good the war in Iraq has done. People flocked to the voting booths in Iraq. I mean, think of what has been done. And, another thing that I don't think anyone is thinking of, is what the soldiers themselves want. You can listen to the liberal spin on CNN, Fox 45, and unfortunately Fox News (They are still more conservative, but they are beginning to give in to the drive by media). If you were to ask a group of soldiers what they wanted to do, a large majority of them would tell you that they want to finish the fight. There one person in the military I have ever actually heard of myself, whom was against the war in Iraq; he was an air force pilot, who's son was in my CAP (Civil Air Patrol) unit. But, yes, to politics. You are right when you say that politicians will say anything to win, but, taking into account what you said about most people despising Christians, wouldn't you say that his apology would have hurt him more than help him? Therefore, I don't think he would have done it if he didn't mean it. And, you said that the small banks have a lot less money, but that doesn't make any sense. If the small banks are all that is left, then you put your money in the small banks. Then, the small banks don't have a lot less money any more. A banks money comes from the people who put money in. So, if people put their money in, then the banks no longer have a small amount of money; and, as I said, the small banks will rise up on the economic ladder. And, what you say about the small banks not risking loans, at that point, as I said, they won't be the small banks much longer. And, in the issue of churches holding rallies, and I have no Idea why we started talking about this, but most churches don't hold rallies. They aren't allowed. If they do, they lose their tax free status, which means that the government takes a percentage of peoples tithes. Churches won't let this happen, because that is God's money, and not the government's. So, I don't see why you're worried about that. And, just to say something else about it, why don't you think preachers should talk about politics in the podium? I mean, it is part of are responsibility as men and women of God to ensure that our freedom to worship, and the freedoms of all those around us, are not taken away. I believe God would want us to stand up for what's right, and that includes politically. I am sorry if I am turning this into a heated debate, but I feel strongly on these issues, and feel that I have a responsibility to share my beliefs with those around me. Even if you don't like the candidates, is it not better to vote for the MORE Christian side? Obama and Biden are definitely not Christians. But, on the other side, where McCain has made anti-Christian commments, I believe he has honestly apologized for them. And, in choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate, he has brought Christianity into his campaign. Maybe McCain*Palin isn't a perfect ticket, but it is the lesser of two evils, and I believe whole heartedly that he is better than Obama*Biden.

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Permalink Reply by Dan on October 5, 2008 at 2:44pm

Okay, here we go again. When I said, "campaign rally" I was referring to using sermons to try to influence people to vote one way or the other. It's by either hinting which way to vote or just blatantly telling people which way to vote. It is not an organized political rally, but they try to use it as one. They get away with it because they might actually throw in a couple words about God which makes it borderline and not prosecutable in the sense you were referring to it. Politics is of this world and has nothing to do with God. I don't go to church for someone to tell me that I should vote for McCain. I go there to praise the Lord and learn His word. "Christian" is not a political party the last time I checked. I thought Christians were supposed to celebrate "Christ" and not John McCain. I don't tythe to political parties. Mine are supposed to go back to God. You can talk politics all you want but the church is not the place for it. It's completely inappropriate in the house of God. If Pastor John or Rev. Mary want to talk politics outside after the sermon then that's fine. I don't mind that at all. But don't call it a church if you are going to use it as another convention center for Republicans or Democrats whether you mask it as a sermon or not. And they shouldn't twist the words of God just because they have a political agenda or preference. What I meant by war is that there will always be the death of innocent people no matter what method you use. War is about killing not overthrowing dictatorships. Sometimes that's just an end result when the killing is through. The tyrants win wars too, just look at all the conflicts in Africa. Banks need to have money to give it away. They can't give the government a billion dollars when they only have a million in total assets. Unless they borrow, but what would be the point of that? They also expect a nice return, another words, they expect to make a profit from the loans they give out. If the government is defaulting on loans already then how does it make sense to issue more? Who's paying back those loans anyway, the government or us? I don't think going deeper in debt is such a great idea anyway. Raising taxes won't be some great political debate any more, it will be mandatory no matter what or by who to pay the bills on this war.

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Permalink Reply by SYNTHIA ESTHER on October 6, 2008 at 5:09pm

I personally like and pray for Sarah Palin. I feel she is under the favor of God. I even blog about her at : wordpress weblog synthia esther and my political and social justice website, www.concernedsingleamericans.com.

I am a pro-life cpmservative Christian, who is a spirit filled, word of God adherring follwer of Jesus Christ. Sarah Palin and I have a lot in common. Palin will bring change to Washington, and kick out the political users and abusers.

Synthia Esther
www.synthiaesther.com

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